CellAg NL (CANS) in a combination with the Network of CellAg (NCA) will bring some discussions on how to combine political best practices with the importance of open access scale up facilities. We will have speakers from CellAg NL,Topics to be discussed: What do we need to ask of politicians to be able to scale? Scale is not just a technical problem. How can we help universities ask for what they need? And how is that different in NL from other countries in the world. And what is CANS building with the investments of the NGF?